Daniel D takes me to task for claiming that Dean outnumbered Kerry 12 to 3. I stand by my count (I’m referring specifically to the balcony; there was no way from my vantage point to distinguish among supporters on the floor) though I’m willing to grant that there were more Kerry supporters; it’s entirely possible that from where I sat it appeared that what was one Kerry section may have been two.
Let me also state (again, as it was in the original post as well) how enthusiastic and supportive the Kerry supporters were. It was great to see another candidate with an organized and enthusiastic crowd.
rick, i was there as well and sitting close to where you were. at one point i took some time to walk around the arena so that i could see the right hand side. i'd say that in the balcony, 50% were dean supporters, 5% gephardt, 5% kucinich, 15% edwards, 25% kerry.
ReplyDeletethe kerry peeps were well organised and enthusiastic, and i was shocked at how small the geppy presence was. the kucinich folks seemed to be having a great time, and the edwards camp appeared to be having fun as well. personally i think it's silly to argue over numbers, but realisitically we outnumbered everyone else by a long shot. i'm going to post my pics soon, maybe that'll help determine the count.
sorry i missed you!
oh, but i also forgot to note that the kerry sections on the left side were only about 2/3 filled up. everyone else's sections were packed to the rim. sorry for the omission.
ReplyDeleteAnna - so sorry to have missed you! We must have been in the same section. Would have been great to say hi...
ReplyDelete--Rick
Takes you task is a bit of a mild way of putting it. Glad you didn't say something like perhaps Kerry was to busy figuring out who to get rid of next or something. Seems to me Daniel D protests a bit too much.
ReplyDeleteHow come there weren't any Pickup Trucks with Confederate Flags? No one held up a Confederate Flag in the Howard Dean Camp. Me thinks Howard Dean is out of touch with his supporters.
ReplyDeleteOne interesting point (NOT) made on Fox News Channel is that all of these Primary Democrats (all 9 elitsts) are going to end up spending 1 million dollars per week.
ReplyDeleteOne of Rick Klau's points he made on this forum was to show how much money is being made by the various Democrats in comparison to President George W. Bush.
Well with at least 3 Democrats still neck and neck with each other through the nation (I.E. Beyond Iowa and New Hampshire), Howard Dean along with the other candidates will most certainly spend millions of dollars just to win the political nomination.
This whole 'Jump for Glee, Jump for Joy' 'Anyone But Bush, Hurraah!' is actually a stupid philosophy. It basically puts democrat against democrat and supporters against supporters and the money gets drained and drained during the Primarys. One of the most fought after Primarys is going to be most of the most expensive ever.
So... Economically and Realisticlly, it makes absolutley no economic sense or political sense to have 9 candidates vying for the nomination. Why is it that Democrats can't simply find a Front Runner in the bunch like us Republicans can?
You have a short memory. From the Feb. 2000 Primary Watch (Concord Monitor, Concord, NH):
ReplyDelete[i]Big bucks: Bush's campaign has now raised more than $68.7 million, more money than any other presidential candidate ever has, and is about to break all spending records as well. In 1996, Republican nominee Bob Dole spent $42.2 million for his entire campaign.
Bush spent almost $17.3 million - some $200,000 a day - in the three months before the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary and is nearing the spending record for an entire presidential campaign.
His spending total for the period between Oct. 1 and Dec. 31 was far more than any of the other contenders for the Republican nomination, according to reports filed yesterday with the Federal Election Commission. Bush already has spent almost as much money - $37.3 million - as most of the other candidates will be allowed to spend for their entire campaigns. (He has not agreed to spending limits and will not be eligible for federal funding.)[/i]
Oh yes, and by my count, at this point in the Republican race in '99/'00, there were at least 7 GOP contenders. Bush, McCain, Bauer, Keyes, Forbes, Hatch & Buchanan.
You have a short memory. From the Feb. 2000 Primary Watch (Concord Monitor, Concord, NH):
ReplyDelete[i]Big bucks: Bush's campaign has now raised more than $68.7 million, more money than any other presidential candidate ever has, and is about to break all spending records as well. In 1996, Republican nominee Bob Dole spent $42.2 million for his entire campaign.
Bush spent almost $17.3 million - some $200,000 a day - in the three months before the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary and is nearing the spending record for an entire presidential campaign.
His spending total for the period between Oct. 1 and Dec. 31 was far more than any of the other contenders for the Republican nomination, according to reports filed yesterday with the Federal Election Commission. Bush already has spent almost as much money - $37.3 million - as most of the other candidates will be allowed to spend for their entire campaigns. (He has not agreed to spending limits and will not be eligible for federal funding.)[/i]
Oh yes, and by my count, at this point in the Republican race in '99/'00, there were at least 7 GOP contenders. Bush, McCain, Bauer, Keyes, Forbes, Hatch & Buchanan.
Allison,
ReplyDeleteyour not very bright are you?
It would have been very interesting if Allison were to explain who the OTHER neck and neck candidate in the Republican Primary with Bob Dole was.
ReplyDeleteOr why President George W. Bush was able to amass far more money than in RECORD HISTORY for any political party and campaign when going against John McCain. (Who by the way was the ONLY SINGLE significant Primary contender). Bush was seen prior to the Primary Voting to be able to gather money on a CONTINUAL basis.... In that regard. It was never a problem for Bush to spend as much as he did because he kept getting more donated to him hand over fist.
With around 9 candidates of which at least 5 are significant with at least 3 neck and neck... This is a VERY different situation.
Geeze. Allison. Nice SPIN WORK but you need to go back and study some more and reach beyond the third grade intellect.
Ah yes, when refuted with facts, resort to name calling. That's the way to win people over to your position! Boo hoo, I'm so upset....
ReplyDeleteIf you want to reach back to '96 when your guy got thumped by Clinton, let's go there. Or would you prefer to go back all the way to '92 when your sitting president got womped by a governor from Arkansas in his first national bid? That would be fun.
Since you asked me to "explain who the OTHER neck and neck candidate in the Republican Primary with Bob Dole was", that man's name was PAT BUCHANAN. He actually won the NH primary that year. Have you forgotten already? The other guy in the race was Lamar Alexander, by the way. What ever happened to him, anyway?
Here's the quote from the Monitor back then:
"Pat Buchanan scored a close-but-shocking win over Bob Dole in the nation's first primary Tuesday night, turning this battle into a wild, three-man scramble for the nomination."
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